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langfam
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 08:23 pm |
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I've been making bread in my Zoji yielding soft, tender loaves using the BB Basic recipe. Today, I doubled the recipe and used my KitchenAid but got dense, heavy loaves.
Is there any way of replicating the "Zoji" bread with my KitchenAid? I was hoping to cut down the number of days I bake bread.
Also, can the KitchenAid handle a tripled recipe?  Yikes!
I have a 6qt., 575W one.
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KSherrill
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Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 12:48 pm |
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I ran into that same problem. I finally realized it was because I added too much flour and over-kneaded the dough. Also, you have to let it rest.
Try this: mix the ingredients together (and not adding any more flour than usual, even if it's first sticking too much). Then let them rest for 5+ minutes. Knead on and off for about 8 minutes, with little rests every now and then.
I don't think a KitchenAid can handle any more than a doubled recipe. For that task, you'd have to get a DLX.
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langfam
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Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 02:35 pm |
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "and not adding any more flour than usual".
Do you mean I should adjust the recipe? A doubled recipe calls for 9 cups of flour. Should I cut back?
As an aside, my family loved the denser bread. I was surprised.
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KSherrill
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Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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I tend to "micromanage" my dough when I'm using a DLX mixer because I can see the dough. It looks a little too sticky at first, and seems logical to add more flour than the usual 4 1/2 cups. When it's in my Zoji, I leave it alone and let it do its thing: out of sight, out of mind. So I just meant don't add more flour than what you do when it's in your bread machine. For a double recipe, 9 cups should be great.
But do let it rest a bit after the ingredients are mixed. And try the little rests during kneading. Also don't over-knead it, as this can make your dough tough and it won't rise as well. It's important to knead it thoroughly, but you can overdo it.
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langfam
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Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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I tried what you suggested. The bread did turn out softer though not as light as with the Zoji. I divided the dough into 3 portions, put 2 into the Norpro 8" pans and 1 into another pan I have, similar in capacity, but slightly wider with lower sides.
The loaves in the Norpro came out with somewhat domed tops, but he loaf in the other pan had a flat, slightly depressed top. This tells me that pan size does make a difference.
Using the Zoji is definitely a no-brainer. Learing to use my KitchenAid may take numerous attempts.
Thanks again.
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KSherrill
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Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 08:37 pm |
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I finally came to the same conclusion! The Zoji just takes so little effort, even though I never bake in it. It just makes the best dough.
I've timed myself--just the amount of time I'm actually in the kitchen when I make dough in the Zoji, from milling to pulling the finished loaves out of the oven. It's 15 minutes total, including clean up. You can't beat that!
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langfam
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Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2008 02:39 pm |
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15 minutes! What's your secret?!
It takes me 20-25 mins to mill, assembly the ingredients in the Zoji and clean-up. Then another 5 mins or more to roll-out/shape the loaves and clean-up.
I do enjoy making bread and would happily do it everyday with my Zoji, but some days, I'm very pressed for time.
I need to think of time-saving strategies.....
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KSherrill
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Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2008 03:25 pm |
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I put all my ingredients in one place (except the yeast and eggs, of course, that stay in the fridge). I keep the lecithin, salt, and gluten in little plastic containers that are easy to get in and out of, and that stack neatly in my cupboard. The honey is in the big honey bear so I don't have to wrestle with the big jug every time. I keep my grains in the smaller 1 gal pails or other plastic containers which fit easily in the pantry. The big 6 gal. buckets live in the downstairs pantry. When the smaller pails are empty, I ask one of my kids to run down and fill them up. So all that cuts way back on the prep time when it's time to bake bread. It helps that I've memorized the recipe and can make it in my sleep (and have!).
My strategy on baking or housecleaning or even exercise, is to keep it simple and as convenient as possible, and that way I'll stick with it. If it's too much of a pain, I'll quit doing it once the novelty wears off, however lofty my intentions.
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Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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What I'm doing is very similar. All my ingredients are in small containers placed in a basket that I pull out from the cabinet (except for yeast and I don't use egg). My grain sitution is alot like yours.
My clean-up includes cleaning the parts to the Nutrimill. I wash the separator cup and flour bowl, dust off the bowl lid and filter (outdoors). Dry everything up and assemble so it's ready for the next use. I'm wondering if I need to do this every time.
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KSherrill
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Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2008 06:42 pm |
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That would be the extra time. I have a WonderMill and (confession time...) rarely clean it. I only clean the flour basin if I mix dry ingredients for muffins (with strong flavors like nutmeg). And the lid gets cleaned even less beacuse it needs to be totally dry so that flour doesn't gunk up inside and clog the mill. My idea of cleaning the basin and lid is to give them a good whack over the sink to knock down any loose flour.
Your Nutrimill may be different and need more TLC. But you could try to see if you can get away with less cleaning--maybe a wipe-down with a dry paper towel instead.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 01:38 pm |
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I have both the Nutrimill and the Wondermill and rarely clean either one. (Confession time for me too) Sometimes after grinding corn, I'll wash everything, but most of the time I just take a paint brush and brush everything down. I bet it's been a month or more since anything has been washed. I do rinse out the filters and put in a new one more often than I clean it.
If bugs were a problem for me, I would probably wash more, but we don't have any problem with pests.
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